Babaji: Eben knows who Simon or Keanu is, looks like, movies.

 What does that mean?

Babaji: you know Simon as Simon, you know Keanu as Keanu. But Eben knows them as a movie star or TV judge. Of course, there is a difference. There is an effect.

An effect?

Babaji: You know ... a hallucination effect.

You mean imagination.

Babaji: Something more than imagination.

That is?

Babaji: Something real and vivid.

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